Larry Elder.....A black "White" guy!

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California has lots of problems, like every state and like our country. But it also has many redeeming qualities that keep people here.

Here's an article critical of the recall process. I happen to agree and had the choice been to remove Gavin and insert the lieutenant governor, I would have voted yes on the recall.

California's voters are not oblivious to the problems in our state but we are also not willing to hand over control to an unqualified, unpredictable radio talk show host.

 
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California has lots of problems, like every state and like our country. But it also has many redeeming qualities that keep people here.

Here's an article critical of the recall process. I happen to agree and had the choice been to remove Gavin and insert the lieutenant governor, I would have voted yes on the recall.

California's voters are not oblivious to the problems in our state but we are also not willing to hand over control to an unqualified, unpredictable radio talk show host.

Then why .. didn’t the Lt. Governor actually run for the office?
 

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California's voters are not oblivious to the problems in our state but we are also not willing to hand over control to an unqualified, unpredictable radio talk show host.
Yeah. That would be as bad as electing a former boxing promoter. Or a has-been actor whose most recent role was Death Valley Days TV show host. Or someone whose skill was bodybuilder! :)

Newsom was a flamboyant figure with much loud gay support when he was mayor of San Francisco. A stereotype of what's goofy about California.

But as governor I thought he has managed about as well as anyone else who could actually get elected. Not the sort of disaster who should be yanked out of office.

In contrast the only other recall in history, Gray Davis, was justified. He really was nothing more than a figurehead for special interests. It was the right thing to do to take him down. (And I've met him. I got the immediate impression that day that he was the bagman behind the scene squeezing the special interests for more money.)

Recall should be reserved for someone who isn't working in the public's interest.
 

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Then why .. didn’t the Lt. Governor actually run for the office?
Yeah. That would be as bad as electing a former boxing promoter. Or a has-been actor whose most recent role was Death Valley Days TV show host. Or someone whose skill was bodybuilder! :)

Newsom was a flamboyant figure with much loud gay support when he was mayor of San Francisco. A stereotype of what's goofy about California.

But as governor I thought he has managed about as well as anyone else who could actually get elected. Not the sort of disaster who should be yanked out of office.

In contrast the only other recall in history, Gray Davis, was justified. He really was nothing more than a figurehead for special interests. It was the right thing to do to take him down. (And I've met him. I got the immediate impression that day that he was the bagman behind the scene squeezing the special interests for more money.)

Recall should be reserved for someone who isn't working in the public's interest.

I'll give you that, he hasn't done a bad job really. My justification of a recall would be for his attending a dinner unmasked while telling everybody else to mask up and keep your business closed. I have no loyalty for politicians who don't practice what they preach. The other factors are not really going to bat for small businesses when it became clear that they were suffering the most. I know several people who lost their businesses and I'm pretty sure a better solution could have been brought to the table.
 

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Yeah that French Laundry Restaurant episode revealed a side of Newsom we hadn't seen. Maybe its an exaggeration but the richest lobbyist in the state was described as his closest personal friend for 20 years, and was the person who hosted that all-expenses-paid event for Newsom to honor Newsom's birthday.

in the 1970's I had a rental tenant who was a staffer in a state assemblyman's office. She had all the free restaurant meals she wanted. She just had to mention a lobbyist's name and the restaurant bill arrived with $ zero due. She said that sort of minor scam, and large ones, were so rampant that she was safe from any blow back.

She persuaded me to work on a campaign for a wannabe new state assemblyman, John Garamendi, because what we had in common was we had both been overseas in the Peace Corps. He was, and is, clean so far as I know. He was legendary for driving home at night instead of getting caught up in the drinking and party girls circus that surrounded Willy Brown, Speaker of the House, and therefor the one who distributed campaign contributions around to maintain his position. Garamendi is still in Congress today, a reliable if dull moderate liberal and still untouched by scandal.

One more California politics story - I bought a suit from a tailor across the street from the state capitol. I returned after it was custom altered and had to wait. I was astonished to overhear the clerk tell his customer "Are your sure Senator xxx that you want your new suit put on that Ford Motors lobbyist's credit card?" "No problem!"

You can read everything by Dan Walters for endless true stories like this. (and I have a few more myself).

Influence costs money. Can you imagine how much money McConnell attracts and distributes to buy votes?
 

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Yeah that French Laundry Restaurant episode revealed a side of Newsom we hadn't seen. Maybe its an exaggeration but the richest lobbyist in the state was described as his closest personal friend for 20 years, and was the person who hosted that all-expenses-paid event for Newsom to honor Newsom's birthday.

in the 1970's I had a rental tenant who was a staffer in a state assemblyman's office. She had all the free restaurant meals she wanted. She just had to mention a lobbyist's name and the restaurant bill arrived with $ zero due. She said that sort of minor scam, and large ones, were so rampant that she was safe from any blow back.

She persuaded me to work on a campaign for a wannabe new state assemblyman, John Garamendi, because what we had in common was we had both been overseas in the Peace Corps. He was, and is, clean so far as I know. He was legendary for driving home at night instead of getting caught up in the drinking and party girls circus that surrounded Willy Brown, Speaker of the House, and therefor the one who distributed campaign contributions around to maintain his position. Garamendi is still in Congress today, a reliable if dull moderate liberal and still untouched by scandal.

One more California politics story - I bought a suit from a tailor across the street from the state capitol. I returned after it was custom altered and had to wait. I was astonished to overhear the clerk tell his customer "Are your sure Senator xxx that you want your new suit put on that Ford Motors lobbyist's credit card?" "No problem!"

You can read everything by Dan Walters for endless true stories like this. (and I have a few more myself).

Influence costs money. Can you imagine how much money McConnell attracts and distributes to buy votes?
I agree with you but why did you leave out your millionaire house leader but instead mentioned McConnell? They both are likely guilty but you showing your partisanship is SO obvious.
 

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I agree with you but why did you leave out your millionaire house leader but instead mentioned McConnell? They both are likely guilty but you showing your partisanship is SO obvious.
This is why I tend to hesitate with most politicians and gravitate towards the ones who have no chance of being elected. The status quo seems unfair and corrupt.

I believe politics in America will always be a problem for our country until all paid lobbying is outlawed. There's just no reason why bribery should be legal. Such a terrible thing imo.
 

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Yeah. That would be as bad as electing a former boxing promoter. Or a has-been actor whose most recent role was Death Valley Days TV show host. Or someone whose skill was bodybuilder! :)

Newsom was a flamboyant figure with much loud gay support when he was mayor of San Francisco. A stereotype of what's goofy about California.

But as governor I thought he has managed about as well as anyone else who could actually get elected. Not the sort of disaster who should be yanked out of office.

In contrast the only other recall in history, Gray Davis, was justified. He really was nothing more than a figurehead for special interests. It was the right thing to do to take him down. (And I've met him. I got the immediate impression that day that he was the bagman behind the scene squeezing the special interests for more money.)

Recall should be reserved for someone who isn't working in the public's interest.
Can you please list ANY .. Newsome accomplishment .. that actually benefited Californians?
 

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Can you please list ANY .. Newsome accomplishment .. that actually benefited Californians?

Measuring latent intangibles is impossible. Don't think so! Okay tell us how many more people would have died in California without Newsomes Covid-19 policies. Or how many deaths were prevented because of his Covid-19 policies.
 

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Can you please list ANY .. Newsome accomplishment .. that actually benefited Californians?
In contrast to Texas and Florida we have leaders who are actually working in the public's interest. That's what they were elected to do. Call that Socialism if you want.

Mass immunizations and masks are a PIA but our governor advocating them has brought good results.

Read this article and weep for your dead Texas neighbors. If you care.
 

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In contrast to Texas and Florida we have leaders who are actually working in the public's interest. That's what they were elected to do. Call that Socialism if you want.

Mass immunizations and masks are a PIA but our governor advocating them has brought good results.

Read this article and weep for your dead Texas neighbors. If you care.
Jeez... there's an adult in the room.
 

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